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On Feb-10-11 at 13:18:18 PST, seller added the following information:
This sale is for a very nice original and un-restored John Deere 820 two cylinder Diesel "survivor" tractor that runs great and operates very well. The serial number on this tractor is #1736 so, through extrapolation, I believe this tractor was built some time around April 8 of 1957. This tractor is a continuation of the larger Deere Diesel standard tractor line that started with the Model R that was built from 1949 through 1954. The Model 80 replaced the Model R and was built from 1955 through 1956. The Model 80 was the first large standard tread Deere tractor to offer power steering as an option. Power steering would continue to be offered as an option through the end of the Model 830 production in 1960. The Model 820 was introduced in 1956 and was for the most part a Model 80 with yellow paint on the sides of the hood and radiator side panels. About half way through the production of the Model 820, the dash was painted black, the steering wheel was changed to an all plastic one and the power of the engine was increased a bit. The Model 820 was replaced with the Model 830 in 1958 and it was produced through 1960. The Model 830 was basically a late Model 820 with a rounded hood and radiator upper cover. All of the Models 80 and 820 were shipped with the tiny V4 gasoline cranking engine or "pony motor" that was used to start the large Diesel engine. Some time during the production of the Model 830, they could be ordered with a 24 volt electrical system and a large electric starter instead of the V4 cranking engine. The "New Generation" Deere tractors were introduced in 1961. The 4010 was the largest tractor in that lineup in 1961 as long as one does not count the huge 8010 articulated tractor of which only a few were built. I don't claim to be the world's most knowledgeable expert on these tractors but I am fascinated with them, have worked on a lot of them and have owned 2 of the Model R, 3 of the Model 80, 3 of the Model 820 and 6 of the Model 830 so far in my life. I even owned the last Model 80 built (serial number 3,500) for a while but sold it to buy a 1912 Kissel Kar brass era automobile. I still have 2 nice original and un-restored Model 830's in my collection. I actually like the Model 820 tractor better than the Model 830 in some ways. I really like the beautifully sculpted hood and radiator top on the Models R, 80 and 820 better than the rounded off and more plain looking Model 830 hood and radiator top. This 820 has more optional equipment and is in better condition in some ways than my Model 830's are but this Model 820 is fairly accessible where my Model 830's are not so that is why I am offering it here. I will attempt to further describe this tractor in the order of the title of Clint Eastwood's famous movie "The Good, The Bad And The Ugly". The Good
This tractor is very well equipped compared to many others of this
model. It is equipped with the following extra cost special order
options: Power Float-Ride Power Take Off Air Intake Power-Trol Dual Hydraulic Outlets For Two Remote Cylinders (not very common on these tractors)
Some more good points on this tractor include the nice and functioning radiator shutter
that is often damaged or missing completely. The brake lining on the pulley brake has not been neglected allowing the brake to cut away the
inside of the belt pulley as is so common on these tractors. I can find no rusted out sheet
metal anywhere including the operator's platform and the lower parts of the rear fenders. The drawbar and the bars that support it show very little wear. I believe that this tractor still it's original generator which is unusual for any tractor with over 4,000 hours of use. The date code on the General Motors built Delco Remy generator tag is 7C21. The 7 is the year of production which in this case is 1957. The C is the third letter in the alphabet so in represents the third month of the year which is March. The 21 represents the day of the month that the generator was produced. Consequently, this generator was finished on March 21 of 1957 which predates my calculated assembly date of April 8, 1957 by about 2-1/2 weeks which is just about right in the world of manufacturing. My calculations were done assuming that the production rate at the Deere factory was uniform throughout the calendar year. Of course the production rate would vary some throughout the year so I can not be absolutely sure which day this tractor was built without contacting the Deere archives. They charge for the information that tells when and to what dealer this tractor was shipped. I plan to do that if it does not sell here.
I can find no
evidence of any damage anywhere due to frozen engine coolant. This includes the
radiator upper and lower tanks, the radiator core, the cylinder head and the cylinder
block. I learned the hard way that on should look at the bottom of the cylinder block because that is usually where they freeze first. The Power-Trol control lever moves freely through all three positions as
it should and the detents at both extremes of travel still work as they should. I changed the engine oil and it showed no evidence of coolant contamination which is good. I also loosened the drain plugs in the transmission and rear end and found no evidence of condensation water there either.
The cranking engine or "pony motor" runs fine and smokes a little like they all seem to do. It has plenty of power to start the large Diesel engine. The large Diesel engine starts quickly and does not miss at all like marginal engines will when they are first started. It runs fine and appears to have good power with no white or excessive smoke. Both of the wheel or turning brakes work fine and are strong enough to pull the tractor down and kill it in road gear but I never did kill it. I have never hitched this tractor to any load but I did use the wheel brakes to load it briefly in all of the gears and there is no excessive noise coming from the transmission or anywhere else. Sometimes a high hour tractor will have problems in the gears in the 4 to 5 miles per hour range because the majority of the heavy tillage is done at those speeds.
The power steering works flawlessly and is not jumpy or overly sensitive as they can be when they are giving trouble. The shaft that comes out of the bottom of the tractor that the steering arm fastens to appears to be nice and tight as it the steering arm on that shaft. I had no way to test the output of the Power-Trol hydraulic on this tractor. The T-handle on the clutch that disconnects the drive to Power-Trol hydraulic pump up on the left side of the engine moves fine. It was disconnected when I got this tractor so I engaged it and there was no extra noise indicating hydraulic pump trouble. The engine clutch works fine and I noticed absolutely no problems at all when I drove this exceptionally nice original tractor. The PTO works fine too.
The sheet metal pan below the bottom of the grille is exceptionally nice and the top grille cap is too except for a minor dent on the left front side. The grille screen is perfect so it may have been replaced at one time and if so, that is why it is a bit darker green in color than the rest of this tractor. The yellow medallion at the top of the grille is usually missing from these tractors, held on with screws or has recently been replaced with a new one. The emblem on this tractor appears to be the original one and is very nice except for a minor scrape on it. These emblems usually vibrated loose and fell off of the higher hour tractors. The cylinder head on the large Diesel engine is the original correct style without the triangular bump on both sides as used on the later 820's and all of the 830's. A lot of these tractors have extra holes drilled in the sides of the cast iron front frame to mount tank heaters and other accessories there. This tractor has no extra holes on either side. The empty hole on the right side is for a bolt that holds a clamp that holds the power steering high pressure pipe but the bolt is missing. The gauges on the dash are very nice original issue gauges and they all work except for the fuel gauge. I have not yet tried to figure out if the problem is the sender, the push button switch, the wire or the gauge. The tachometer is a replacement unit because it has both a 540 and 1000 RPM white band for the PTO speed. These tractors never had a 1000 RPM PTO so this newer tachometer gives away the fact that it has been replaced. The newer tachometer shows 2305 hours on it and the sticker on top shows 2135. I can't be sure but I am wondering if this tractor had 2135 hours on it when the tachometer was replaced. If so, this tractor has a least 4440 hours on it plus however long it was used with a bad tachometer. Perhaps the sticker on the glass indicates that something significant was done to this tractor when it had 2135 hours on it. My friend that I bought this tractor from bought it in Canada about 10 years ago and can not remember who he bought it from there. The rear fenders are exceptionally nice and straight and totally rust free even where they sometimes rust out at the bottom on the inside. There is an odd kink in the back of the left fender where someone may have backed into something many years ago. The rear tires are excellent and have very little use on them. There are 2 sets of wheel weights on the outside of the wheels and I don't recall if there are any weights on the insides of the wheels or not. Many of these tractors were pull started when the cranking engines gave up. Doing that tends to break the ears off of the front casting where you can hook a chain. Pull starting also tends to break the wishbone that holds the front axle in place if one throws a chain around one side of the axle. The impact from some fool yanking on a tractor that is badly stuck in the mud can also take a toll on the front end parts. There is no evidence of any damage to any of these parts on this great old tractor. The back of the radiator core looks just like new and this tractor has no significant oil, fuel or water leaks that I can recall. I installed a new clear plastic cup in the air intake pre-cleaner. There is not rust out damage on the battery box under the seat but it does have some minor corrosion in it.
As far as I am concerned, the worst thing on this entire tractor is the fact that some fool took off and mis-placed the rear cab door. The tool box that slides under the left side of the operator's platform is missing but reproduction ones are available. There is some very minor rust pitting of the deck on the operator's platform due to a rubber floor mat holding moisture. The cab rear window is missing but will not be hard to replace. This tractor had a huge chrome pipe welded on to the top of the original muffler when I bought it. It about made me gag every time I looked at it so I used an abrasive cut-off wheel on a small grinder to carefully cut the welds off. I did my best to save the muffler and trashed the pipe in the cutting process. The rear tires have calcium chloride in them but the rims still look good. There is some minor rust showing around the valve stems so the ballast should be removed from this tractor unless you plan to farm or tractor pull with it. And The Ugly
Many collectors today will not want the cab that is on this tractor and it would not be hard to remove. I believe that this is a home made cab and a very good looking and well made one at that. The flange at the bottom of the rear of the platform has not been torched off to install the supports that clamp around the rear axle housing. This was done when installing the Crenlow cab that Deere marketed through it's dealers back when these great tractors were new. I think the majority of the evidence of this tractor having a cab would be the holes where it mounts to the fenders. I hope the new owner of this fine original tractor leaves this cab in place because it is very interesting and is also very typical of how these tractors were used here in the colder northern states. A cab is a curse on a warm day because the field dust tends to hang in the cab rather than blow away as when an umbrella is used. The real advantage of a cab is when one is ripping stubble in the late fall, plowing snow in the winter or seeding on cold spring days.
It is a shame that the grille is a darker green than the rest of this fine tractor. The paint on the rest of the tractor is oxidized and would look a lot darker and nicer it it was waxed. Other than that, one can remove the grille, strip the paint and repaint it to match the tractor. There is not much that can be done about the dent in the left front side of the cap on the top of the grille. Perhaps it can be removed to gain access to the inside and the the dent can be very carefully worked out without damaging the paint. I guess this and the small kink at the back of the left rear fender are part of the "patina" on this tractor. Seventy or eighty dollars will buy a nice set of black or yellow seat cushions that will add hundreds of dollars to the looks of this tractor. I would have already done that but I am the type of person that looks right past the easily fixed minor problems like that and concentrate on the more significant problems. The rear rims have been widened about three inches. This was a popular modification that the local tire companies pushed claiming that it would improve traction. I am not convinced that this modification would make any appreciable difference in how these excellent 18.4 - 34 tires would grip the ground. The fuel supply system to the carburetor on the cranking engine is all original except for the addition of a nice stainless steel quarter turn shut-off valve that is hood to the original U-joint on the end of the fuel shut-off control rod. The original brass shut off valve has been retained and is now used only as an elbow for hooking up to the gas line.
Well, I am about as tired of typing as you most likely are of reading so I am almost done here. There
is not much more that I can say except that if you have been looking for
an exceptionally nice original and un-restored John Deere 2 cylinder wheatland Diesel tractor for your collection, then
should give some very serious thought to offerding on this somewhat
tarnished but still beautiful old gem. I
thought I would never sell this treasure because I enjoy owning it more than I would 2 or 3 restored tractors. I have concentrated on collecting original "survivor" vehicles in my collectible car, truck and tractor collection so that is why I bought this tractor a couple of years ago from a friend in Oregon. I
recently found a great
deal on a very valuable early farm tractor that I can not pass up so
some of my other treasures are going to pay for that next treasure that
is more important to me. You can store this tractor here in a rental warehouse for up to three months for free if you are planning a trip to beautiful Montana some time this spring. It costs me about $50 per month to store it there so you can leave it here for a longer time as long as you agree to pay me that storage fee. I have a lot of friends in the collectible car,
truck and tractor hobbies and may be able to have it delivered depending
on where you live and how soon you want this tractor delivered.
out the dozen or more very scarce great toy and model tractors,
Doepke "Model Toy" construction and car models, a very good restorable John Deere Model AR tractor, an old Model T
Ford race car body, a Model T Ford C-cab truck and other interesting items I
am now offering
here on . Occasionally I get an email from someone who wanted what I
but had problems offerding at the end of the sale or was outoffer or got
"sniped" at the end of the sale. Most of the experienced buyers here
on wait until the last few seconds to offer in order to pay the
least possible amount for the item. This is so called "sniping" is done
by placing a proxy offer for the maximum amount they can justify paying
for an item and placing that offer as the latest possible time that they
can reliably offer on their computer connection. The practice of "sniping"
makes it hard or impossible for their competition to place a
competitive offer in time on that particular item.
I use a offerding
program to place "sniping" offers on almost everything I buy here. I am
very happy with that program and am convinced it saves me money as well
as frees me up from being at a computer at the exact time that an
sale ends. I would recommend that program to you here but to do so is
against 's rules. Rather than risk having them shut down my
sales, I will not list that offerding program here. I am willing to
explain more about how "sniping" works if you need to know as well as
recommend the sniping program I use if you contact me here through the
system or call me any time at 406-799-1847. Thanks again, Bob
On Feb-10-11 at 18:06:52 PST, seller added the following information:
I Realize what it is like to buy something as complicated as a tractor sight unseen so I have just finished adding 113 much larger and more detailed photos of this tractor to my photo site. Please go to Photobucket.com and sign in as toysanyone and use the word vehicles for the password. A page will open up with a list of sub-albums just to the right of the center of the page. Click on the first sub-album which is "0 Tractor JD 820 Diesel" and it will open up. Click on the "View all" icon in the upper left and all 113 of the small photos will be on one page. Click on any one of the small photos you wish to see and it will increase to 48% of it's full size. Click on that photo again and it will increase to 100% of it's full size. Please call me if you have difficulty with this site and I will be happy to help you. It is a bit cumbersome but these photos are definitely worth the effort to view them if you are interested at all in this tractor. Thanks a lot, Bob Woodburn - phone 406-799-1847