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Old 10-27-2014, 07:05 PM
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lets see for one ,, yellowing was progressing no2 plant was green but kinda crinkly no3. leaves started drooping or folding in as it drooped... my thought was infected seed or maybe I didn't catch ph level in time ,,

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I don't know if it's the lighting or not, but it looks a little on the yellow side. It may just be recovering, or still have a problem. Did you get the right kind of pH drops yet? Now that the seedlings are getting bigger, I would probably up the nutrients to about 2/3 to 3/4 strength. They should start growing quickly if their getting enough light.


Also, I was looking for new articles today when I came across these three that I think you may find useful.

Control Yourself: Understanding the Basics of Indoor Climate Control

What’s the Problem? Hydroponic Troubleshooting

Cultivating Cucumbers

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Bigdaddy216, did you get the e-mail I sent you. If not, I can re-send it..
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Old 10-30-2014, 07:49 AM
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I don't know if it's the lighting or not, but it looks a little on the yellow side. It may just be recovering, or still have a problem. Did you get the right kind of pH drops yet? Now that the seedlings are getting bigger, I would probably up the nutrients to about 2/3 to 3/4 strength. They should start growing quickly if their getting enough light.


Also, I was looking for new articles today when I came across these three that I think you may find useful.

Control Yourself: Understanding the Basics of Indoor Climate Control

What’s the Problem? Hydroponic Troubleshooting

Cultivating Cucumbers

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Bigdaddy216, did you get the e-mail I sent you. If not, I can re-send it..
Thanks For The Links I Got Them All... As For The PH Yes I Rechecked It 4 Times Before & After I Added Nutrients I Found My PH To Be Way Too Low So I Got It Between 5.5 & 5.8 ...i totally changed out nutrients to half strength,, but I think I'm just go switch brands of nutrients to general hydroponics because they have a mixing chart for all stages and i think that's where my problem lays because i believe i have a nutrient lock out because i seen some other picture and look same as mines they said when lok like that its a potassium issue or phosphate i think
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nutrient lockout is not due to the brand of nutrients you use. Nutrient lockout is due to two things,
1. improper pH,
2. mixing them incorrectly. And by that I mean combining parts together (A and B etc..) at to high of a concentrations. If you mix them in the full volume of water you intend to use, that will never happen.


HOW ARE YOU TESTING YOUR pH now???

If you choose to use the same pH drops you were using, you will never be able to get your pH correct. I'm just trying to save you time, money, effort, and frustration. But I'm wasting my time if I don't know the basics.......
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Nutrient lockout is not due to the brand of nutrients you use. Nutrient lockout is due to two things,
1. improper pH,
2. mixing them incorrectly. And by that I mean combining parts together (A and B etc..) at to high of a concentrations. If you mix them in the full volume of water you intend to use, that will never happen.


HOW ARE YOU TESTING YOUR pH now???

If you choose to use the same pH drops you were using, you will never be able to get your pH correct. I'm just trying to save you time, money, effort, and frustration. But I'm wasting my time if I don't know the basics.......
I Hear Everything You Saying This all Why I am Going To Buy New Next Monday Pay Day,, Like You Said Its My Mixing & Having wrong Ph Test Kit,, See its like I have said my math is bad that's why im switching to GH they have it all figured out the measurement part and heres what I be buying General Hydroponics pH Test Kit 1 oz $4.90

PH Up Liquid Adjusting Solution Quart $6.90
PH Down Liquid Adjusting Solution Quart $6.90
General Hydroponics FloraGro Quart $7.90
General Hydroponics FloraBloom Quart $7.90
General Hydroponics FloraMicro Quart $9.90
General Hydroponics - CALiMAGic Quart $9.90
T5 Ho 8 tube Fixture 40,000 lumen

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OK,
That's a really good price on the general hydroponics pH testing kit. Usually they run $6.95 to $8.95.

You do need some pH adjusters. I assumed you already had some otherwise how are you trying to adjust them? If you already have some I'm not sure why you would spend more money when you don't need to.

Also I don't think you have a problem with the brand of nutrients you are using. But if you have the extra money to spend, and want to buy the flora series nutrients, go for it. their good nutrients (just expensive). If so don't bother much with their mixing chart. For full strength nutrient solution, use equal amounts 10 ml per gallon of each part for continuously fruiting plants like cucumbers. I have used the flora series a lot myself in the past. But if you don't have extra money to spend don't bother. If you really need help with the math of what you already have, I will help you with it so you don't need to spend money you don't need to.

You also simply don't need to spend money on any cal mag product. It is good in some circumstances, but not in your case. Especially if you don't have money to waste. You can add all the cal mag you want, but the plants will never be able to take it up if the pH is incorrect, and just adding more wont make them use more. They only take what they need, and any balanced nutrient solution will already have plenty in it.

You can test the pH all you want, but if you don't use the right drops you still don't know what your pH is. I've been trying to get that across to you, but you keep avoiding it. Even telling me your pH is between 5.5 and 5.8, and I know that's not true because you cant be that accurate with drops (even GH drops), and the drops you do have don't even go below 6.0. So unless you bought or borrowed a pH meter you couldn't even come close to telling that range correctly. If you did barrow one, Then I would ask how you know it's calibrated correctly, and functioning correctly.

The only thing you need right now is to get the pH drops so you can actualy tell what the pH is. Bottom line, if I were you I wouldn't waste money on anything on your list right now except the pH drops (and I guess the T'5 if you want to try using them). Once you get the pH drops and test your nutrient solution with it, we can see where you are at that point. Tell then there is nothing to do but wait for the right information.

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[QUOTE=GpsFrontier;12178]OK,
That's a really good price on the general hydroponics pH testing kit. Usually they run $6.95 to $8.95.

You do need some pH adjusters. I assumed you already had some otherwise how are you trying to adjust them? If you already have some I'm not sure why you would spend more money when you don't need to.

Also I don't think you have a problem with the brand of nutrients you are using. But if you have the extra money to spend, and want to buy the flora series nutrients, go for it. their good nutrients (just expensive). If so don't bother much with their mixing chart. For full strength nutrient solution, use equal amounts 10 ml per gallon of each part for continuously fruiting plants like cucumbers. I have used the flora series a lot myself in the past. But if you don't have extra money to spend don't bother. If you really need help with the math of what you already have, I will help you with it so you don't need to spend money you don't need to.


A. (((For full strength nutrient solution, use equal amounts 10 ml per gallon of each part for continuously fruiting plants like cucumbers.)))

B. Now for example; seedling like I have in pictures I posted, what (ml) Should I Cut That To and How Long To Feed For Till Full strength?

C. Do I Need To Measure Out; 10ml Of Bloom, 10ml, Of Gro, 10ml of Micro? Or Do You Mean 10ml Total?

PH Level
Basically You Telling Me To Have 2 (Different Ways) To Check PH Level [/COLOR][/B]Instead Of Just Using Drops & Don’t Trust A PH Pen Because Calibration Could Be Off Right?

Also You Said Just Buy More PH Up & PH Down
Because Yes I Have Some PH Up & PH Down That Came With That API Fresh Water Kit PH Kit I Have …..

Far As Water Goes I Have Been Using Purified Water – But As Of 3rd November I Have Bottle Water Service They Sell Reverse Osmosis Water In Five Gallons

TDS
Should I Buy A TDS Meter? Would That Help?
Is This Good Brand ? I Know You Get What You Pay For

Hanna 1382 PPM TDS Calibration Solution 20ml Sachets $1.09
Hanna Primo TDS Test Meter $27.90


How I Been Feeding So You Understand
This Exactly What It Says On Site In Mix Recommendations

Product Information
TOMATO FERTILIZER 4-18-38
A special fertilizer mix used for growing tomatoes, peppers and other vegetable crops. Can be used in the greenhouse or in the field. Water soluble.
Works great in drip irrigation systems. Not a foliar feed fertilizer.
Designed to be used with Calcium nitrate. 25# bag also available in 1# and 5#

The recommended mix per 5 gallons is: 12 grams Master Blend, 12 grams Calcium Nitrate, 6 grams Magnesium sulfate.


Now If I Pour 2.5 Gallons Of That out Of 5 Gallons Into My 3.5 Gallon Bucket
Will That Still Be Too Much?

How I Been Cutting Back
12g + 12g + 6g = 30g
So Whats Half Of ( 30g ) = 15g (That How I Been Feeding )


Here Site Link Also
https://www.morgancountyseeds.com/st...&productId=487

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