Hydroponic at 45-50 degree celcious

[Luches]

Haven't we all got our childhood traumata and don't we all lack social skills on occasion, or when others push us to the limits? Denial doesn't help here, it just makes it worse and makes the causal chain repeat itself over and over again until we accept us as what and who we truly are.

You don't need no "Luches" to discover your own limits and for instance I do not need any GPS to see my picture in the mirror

It's not the others, everyone is his/her worst enemy, even if it takes longer for some to realize that fact. Hence "personal conflicts" repeat themselves with various opponents until they are solved or dissolved. There have been and there will be others to defy you badly and confront you with yourself but me, - if only you'd believe and trust me on something for one single time...

[GpsFrontier]

Haven't we all got our childhood traumata and don't we all lack social skills on occasion,

To some point I would agree. But there is a big diffidence between occasionally and constantly. I can forgive occasionally, but not constantly.

Denial doesn't help here, it just makes it worse and makes the causal chain repeat itself over and over again until we accept us as what and who we truly are.

My thoughts exactly, when you come to terms with yourself and stop denying that you have a huge attitude that turns people off, perhaps you can recover. But I simply don't care if you ever do (not my job).

It's not the others, everyone is his/her worst enemy, even if it takes longer for some to realize that fact. Hence "personal conflicts" repeat themselves with various opponents until they are solved or dissolved

If you are trying to imply that I don't like myself and only taking it out on you, well that's simply the funnest thing you have said in a great while (thanks for the laugh). But it is still an insult, and exactly what I would expect from you.

if only you'd believe and trust me on something for one single time..

You are so arrogant, and you are so desperate for someone to believe you (even me) that you loose site of the points. It is not about who believes who, it is about finding information that applys to you, so you can use it for your situation. That is what helps people, and helps make this forum useful for those looking for it, not egos. What good is all the perfect information in the world if you just drive the potential users and contributors away. When you pick fights as often as you do, your bound to find people from time to time that won't back down from them. That's what your struggle is with me, no mater what you want to blame it on.

[Luches]

My last post was actually meant to think about a bit and apply to yourself "also". It was a way of proposing a concession. This is not a one-way thing, as it would be too easy to blame it all on me. You're much to involved in this debate, to be completely innocent or "the victim" and not an actor yourself - aren't you? And don't you ask yourself why you can't let go? I do! Remember the traumata thing? Maybe you are afraid of me as a symbol figure of someone who "forces you" into some ideas or worse some bad indoctrination you have got in the past? You seem to have a strong aversion against religion, you are full of all kinds of contrariness - all these are clear indications for serious traumata!

Don't you actually wonder if I haven't pulled your leg all along, and that I read you like a book, - but you don't even remotely know what I am thinking or actually am saying. I may be in full control of myself, completely detached - feeding your mind with all kinds of brain-lures and mental challenges and actually just making a case study - watching you play my vicious game?

Yeah, you will pick that up too, quote it for sure and say that I am a truly evil person... I know, - but look at it again, it was a question! Never mind you'll quote that for sure and hold that against me no matter what, right - because you would pick up and split every blade of grass I drop, isn't that so?

[GpsFrontier]

This is not a one-way thing, as it would be too easy to blame it all on me. You're much to involved in this debate, to be completely innocent or "the victim" and not an actor yourself - aren't you?

Actor? I am not a actor in a movie, this is real life that I'm involved with. I don't claim to be 100% blameless, I also never calmed to be a victim either, just willing to defend myself. You simply, and constantly, refuse to treat people in a descent manor (something I learned to do as a child) tormented past or not, that is simply giving others (strangers) the benefit of the doubt (also known as respect).

And don't you ask yourself why you can't let go?

No, not not at all. Two reasons, I have nothing better to do, and as I said I am happy to defend my actions, especially when called a lair when it is not true. That gets under my skin, and unless I have more pressing issues to deal with I will deal with that one.

I do! Remember the traumata thing? Maybe you are afraid of me as a symbol figure of someone who "forces you" into some ideas or worse some bad indoctrination you have got in the past?

I don't even know what the term/word "traumata" refers to or means. I did a quick search and at the top of the list was something about an omelet, I am not going to spend the time to figure out nonsense.

Maybe you are afraid of me

Just when did I ever show that I was afraid of you?

as a symbol figure of someone who "forces you" into some ideas or worse some bad indoctrination you have got in the past?

You just need to blame your lack of social skills on others again.

You seem to have a strong aversion against religion

I am perfectly willing to discus any religious issue face to face, I also RESPECT others right to there beliefs as long as they respect mine. I take harshly to being preached to, I don't do that to others and expect the same respect back. Discussing religion and/or politics in a forum breeds hatred. They both are strong belief issues that never have any good outcome. Go to your church and vote your hart, talk with them about it, but unless you are trying to breed hate, leave it off the internet.

Don't you actually wonder if I haven't pulled your leg all along, and that I read you like a book,

No, and I don't care if you have. But that would just reinforce the claims that I made that you do this stuff just for your own amusement. Have fun.

I may be in full control of myself, completely detached - feeding your mind with all kinds of brain-lures and mental challenges and actually just making a case study - watching you play my vicious game?

Who cares? Not my problem! That doesn't help make this forum any better. Even if so, that just shows your lack of concern for others, exactly what I have known for what about 9 months now.

Yeah, you will pick that up too, quote it for sure and say that I am a truly evil person... I know, - but look at it again, it was a question! Never mind you'll quote that for sure and hold that against me no matter what, right - because you would pick up and split every blade of grass I drop, isn't that so?

You are the one who does not care about the forum and just wants to play games. No it isn't just the last few posts, but 9 MONTHS OF THEM that shows your true colors and why you are always complaining that nobody understands you. You simply only care about yourself. Mind games or not, you are simply unlikeable as a person. That's your problem, not mine. I will still defend myself when necessary. If your goal is to make this forum useless, you are well on your way to doing that (good thing I don't own it). You are simply nothing more than a bully, and I'm not afraid of bully's.

[Luches]

If you really care for the forum, why don't you prevent your Ego from beating users like me verbally up until they get bored or tired, or sick of your thousand quotes and mostly wrong assumptions?

You don't believe you make a good impression here, do you really are that naive?

You jump on every post that shows up and reply to anything as if you were a certified and sworn expert. Asking a hundred questions, quoting the crap out of any post, but you aren't half as smart and knowledgeable as recommended for the forum smart-ass job. The wish to help is noble, but certainly not good enough if you actually don't know much.

I have a few PMs in my mailbox that say "bluntly" how bored an pi**ed people are with you replying to ANYTHING and quoting every of their words without having actual answers, but just making conversation and "learning by actually asking" stuff.

Why and where have the thousand plus members escaped, long before I even showed up here? When I came here it was a kinda DEAD forum and now it is not even half alive and when I'll leave it will most probably not become any better, unless you give people some air to breath except your "desert experience" that has to be poured over everything like house-ketchup.

I remember so well when I tried to explain you the cooling system I build ages ago and already then you wouldn't grab a thing, just because you can't accept anything unless you have bended an formed it your way a few times.

I believe you are damn lucky to be able to blame your later failures and a "desert forum" on me - but let's make a deal: I'll go my way and you will be completely safe from my interventions. You try to catch some folks with your quoting mania and usual high profile forum smart-assing. After a while you may realize by yourself that this forum is not doing bad because of me or anybody else, but perhaps quite a bunch actually goes on your own account...

Deal?
I mean you don't risk anything except recognizing a painful truth eventually. And if the forum would boom an flourish after a short time when I am away, - I'd have to admit that I really screwed up this-one

Btw: I already asked the admin to delete me completely because I do not identify at all with this place and attitude "of yours".... I have tried, but I really have to give up on this-one.

[GpsFrontier]

If you really care for the forum, why don't you prevent your Ego from beating users like me verbally up until they get bored or tired, or sick of your thousand quotes and mostly wrong assumptions?

Users like you that have no respect for others , DESERVE NO RESPECT. You don't seem bored at all, you seem to have fun at it. What else is there to do when you have driven off all the users.

wrong assumptions?

Who made you controller and dictator of all the RIGHT ASSUMPTIONS. You simply dismiss anyone else's experiences that you don't like as non creditable.

You don't believe you make a good impression here, do you really are that naive?

Just like you, absolutely.

You jump on every post that shows up and reply to anything as if you were a certified and sworn expert.

That is complete and utter bull, I HAVE NEVER SAID AND OR CLAIMED THAT I WAS AN EXPERT. In fact, I have stated countless time that I was not an expert, when have you ever done that once?

but you aren't half as smart and knowledgeable as recommended for the forum smart-ass job. The wish to help is noble, but certainly not good enough if you actually don't know much.

I don't really care what you think. I am not the one complaining that everyone doesn't believe me. If you had a better personality. Perhaps you wouldn't have the problem of people not caring what you have to say. Then you wouldn't need to cry and blame such things on other people . I know plenty, you just don't know how to respect that without DEMANDING everyone simply just believe you.

The wish to help is noble, but certainly not good enough if you actually don't know much.

So I guess that is the equivalent of saying my experiences are null and void, and the only ones that matter are yours. If that is not IGNORANCE then what would qualify.

I have a few PMs in my mailbox that say "bluntly" how bored an pi**ed people are with you replying to ANYTHING and quoting every of their words without having actual answers, but just making conversation and "learning by actually asking" stuff.

I have many PMs about you your attitude. But regardless, I can show 3 or 4 threads that other people other than me have complained to you publicly. I can also how many more threads, and posts, that you are simply rude to people so they simply gave up. There is not one Public thread that says anything of that nature about me. I have been involved with every thread that I have posted in and if I got the same reactions that you have I would have respected there opinion of me. Have them PM me with there complaints, otherwise it is just hearsay, as you always complain about.

Why and where have the thousand plus members escaped,

I never said thousand's, you are just making up stuff again. There are only two active members at this point, (you, and me) nobody else wants to post anything because they are afraid of what might happen. They simply just go somewhere else. I have seen Many people come and go in this forum, and some is natural, but all of them going is not. You are the only one that thinks that they are the all and end all to everything hydroponic.

I remember so well when I tried to explain you the cooling system I build ages ago and already then you wouldn't grab a thing, just because you can't accept anything unless you have bended an formed it your way a few times.

Yes that was my first experience with you. I wanted to understand but you just made it so difficult to even care. Despite the fact that I was biting my tug and apologizing left and right for being stupid, you would have none of it. Making accusations that were not true, and not believing that I had good intentions. Now that I have many more interactions with you, I understand that that is just your Undesirable personality that I and nobody else cares for, and you call funny.

I believe you are damn lucky to be able to blame your later failures and a "desert forum" on me - but let's make a deal: I'll go my way and you will be completely safe from my interventions. You try to catch some folks with your quoting mania and usual high profile forum smart-assing. After a while you may realize by yourself that this forum is not doing bad because of me or anybody else, but perhaps quite a bunch actually goes on your own account...

Deal?
I mean you don't risk anything except recognizing a painful truth eventually. And if the forum would boom an flourish after a short time when I am away, - I'd have to admit that I really screwed up this-one

You have left the forum before. The first time was for about a month, the second was less than that, both times it was because you were in a huff. So what. The simple fact is you are welcome as long as you can be nice to people. You simply cant do that for more than a couple of weeks at a time. You are welcome to leave the forum but that wont change your personality if you do or not.

Btw: I already asked the admin to delete me completely because I do not identify at all with this place and attitude "of yours".... I have tried, but I really have to give up on this-one.

Yes wasn't that almost two weeks ago, you were replying less than 24 hours after I understood that. But noting I didn't expect.

[ohman11]

Btw: I already asked the admin to delete me completely because I do not identify at all with this place and attitude "of yours".... I have tried, but I really have to give up on this-one.

I asked him to delete you too, ......Just go away, this is a nice forum and you do nothing but drag it down to your level.......Stop making threats about leaving and JUST GO AWAY!

[Luches]

Aren't you a club of finest young Gentlemen that truly deserve a hassle free and cosy place to play hydroponics ?
I believe I have to agree and forgive me for all the bad things I have done.

Goodness, how childish and pathetic this all finishes - I am a bit disappointed at the end