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I am a Workaholic!
"God, Give us the grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed and that we even do not need to try or argue about, as they will not work anyway, no matter how hard- or whatever we try. Courage to try the things which could be tried and indeed be improved or changed to the better, even tough others pretend they'll never work. And finally give us that important (sometimes missing?) bit of cleverness and wisdom that enables us to distinguish the one from the other, and could put us way ahead of some stubborn and eccentric comrades-in-arms." (Freely modified from "The Serentiy Prayer" by Elisabeth Sifton) |
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Goodness, you get everything wrong! As I guess I am more like a prime example of an atheist. I just like good and classic "sayings and quotes" that fit the occasion like a glove. It doesn't matter to me what ever origin they actually were or are, as long as they come handy and can be transformed for my needs (you didn't notice that either, did you?). In other words: I draw and summon up from multiple sources but have no religious beliefs and there is no such connotation in this very or any other context I have ever posted. Thus, it can only be another wrong assumption of yours.
Otherwise, I wonder what it would take to explain to someone with such reactions, how to distinguish between religion and a SIMPLE satiric interlude - to get back to business as usual That's what I will do at my end now...PEACE (no religious connotation intended)! |
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I don't force my opinions on others, and I expect the same respect back, (something you cant understand). Give me your best shot. You expect verifiable documentation for things that are not really verifiable. What makes your brand of unverifiable information any different than mine. If I need to verify every thing thing I speak, what makes you exempt, other than your demanding so. you can demand everything you want, and I'm sure you usually get it. But you are going to need to do a whole lot harder with me. |
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Why should Satire offend anyone, except if it is completely misunderstood?
And why are you always so negative and serious, even if I try to make my points by trying to be funny (satiric if you prefer)? Aren't you anyways in opposition by principle and with anything I could possibly try to communicate? Be honest - it really doesn't matter to you what and how I put (write) it anyway, right!? You are just seeking for the snags and the pegs and even if there's any - you'll manage to make up some nevertheless. Does it make any difference or sense to even try to communicate differently? - I guess not! Is it funny or do I have fun with any of your reactions? As much as I like to have fun - definitely No! You didn't take the challenge to prove that what you claim is indeed possible and has general or partial consensus. Like it or not, admit it or not, your opposition is simply a point ahead. Opinions are opinions nothing else, they do not deserve any respect by default. Different people have different opinions and that's just a simple fact, they may vary in quality, are subjective and hence nothing that is suited to prematurely attribute a general value (as respect) to it. People indeed have- and take their rights of freedom of speech, and in democratic countries are officially entitled to any opinion as long as these are not overruled by other attributes (depending on law in vigor, jurisprudence, situation, culture and other specific conditions). As in rudeness is rudeness and not "an opinion" - hence overruled. As far as I am concerned, there is no respect by principle for the "opinions of anyone" (not even mine by others) but it goes buy meritocratic principles. If something true, confirmed with consensus, scientific proof or whatever it takes to make it credible, interesting, perhaps sensational, amazing - is put in an opinion, it might indeed deserve respect. Other more common things that are externalized as "opinions", even fancy things or some "platitudes" may only be noted, tolerated or considered - but not necessarily be respected in the proper sense. Things that are clearly born from ignorance, stupidity and stubbornness (or any other motivation that isn't constructive or to be respected) in any concerned observer's perspective on the other hand, - do not deserve any respect, not even consideration. Who doesn't see nor make the difference here, (the "prayer" from before might indeed help to understand what it is about) and can't understand that not any "opinion" deserves to be respected, but sometimes need to be overruled by the "thou shalt not show respect for any stupidity" clause, well - fill in whatever clause seems appropriate to overrule any such "opinions" I have to admit, .... it may have ended up in having some fun at the end.... but I believe I do not have any intention of hurting anyone here I am just throwing out a odd hat here - I don't know who may catch it or to whom ever it may fit perfectly well... Btw: have fun with quoting some of the paragraphs. Last edited by Luches; 04-23-2010 at 09:31 AM. |
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Let's switch to the hard evidence and the facts then (something you actually asked for repeatedly, right?) - a good support for my opinion and reason why I don't recommend growing tomatoes (and strawberries) under temperatures in the ranges of 45-50° Celsius (113 -122 F) according to the thread starters question:
And yes not recommending (and why) that was and is all I was saying in that context! The first source is directly from University of Arizona, your place right? __________________________________________________ _____________ 1. For tomatoes, day temperatures should be 21° -26° C (70° -79° F) and night temperatures around 16° -18.5° C (61° -65° F) High temps in excess of 30° C to 35° C will cause many different types of damage to the plants, such as inhibition of growth and even death. The physiological nature of heat damage is thought to involve a denaturation of some protein component of plant cells. Fruit abortion may occur at these temperatures as well. Source: The University of Arizona hydroponictomatoes __________________________________________________ _____________ 2. Common Tomato Disorders Under Desert Conditions: Tomatoes grow best if temperatures range between 70 and 90 degrees Fahrenheit, but can tolerate temperatures lower than 55° F and higher than 100° F for short periods. However, extended periods lower or higher than these temperatures abort the blossoms. Source: University of Nevada Common Tomato Disorders Under Desert Conditions __________________________________________________ _____________ 3. When day temperatures exceed 85°F and night temperatures exceed 72°F, tomato flowers will abort. An important factor involved with temperature is time of exposure. The longer the plants are exposed to these high temperatures, the longer the condition will last and the more serious the effect on flowering. Source: Auburn University AL Tomato blossom drop __________________________________________________ _____________ 4. Bloom drop, poor fruit set and/or cat-facing (deformed fruit) induced by high temperature (> 92°F) due to reduced pollination. Source: Horticultural Sciences, Texas A&M University cropguides tomato T A&M __________________________________________________ _____________ 5. During unfavorable weather (night temperatures lower than 55°F, or day temperatures above 95°F with drying hot winds), tomatoes do not set and flowers drop. The problem usually disappears as the weather improves. Source University of Illinois unfavorable weather __________________________________________________ _____________ 6. Prolonged periods of high temperatures above 90°F and wind during the day are associated with blossom drop. Source: Oklahoma State University Prolonged periods of high temperatures __________________________________________________ _____________ I believe my recommendations and statements, as well as the recommendation to think seasonal with tomatoes and strawberries is sufficiently backed up now even if the "burden of proof" has actually never existed on my side. Isn't it your turn now, to be fair play and deliver some credible and official proof, to justify your repeated and sustained denial and extended rhetoric objection against my recommendations? Last edited by Luches; 04-23-2010 at 10:24 PM. |
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The temp here in our town is in the upper 80's (30 C) and it is only late April. Next week it has been forecast to be in the low 90's (about 35 C). By the end of May, and early June the temp will be over 100 F daily (about 40 C). By mid July it will be to the 120 F mark daily (in the 50 C or better range). In 2 1/2 months it will be over 120 F daily until the end of August. Late July we start getting the monsoons, so the humidity is higher also. Last weekend I was at both Lowe's and Home Depot looking for spinach plants (I never found). But while I was there, they both had displays of the Topsy Turvy tomato planters with live plants in them, even the Strawberry models. These things sell extremely well in this town, and everyone and there brother seem to be getting them. My point is, that people wouldn't be buying these, nor would the stores be wasting valuable shelf space on product's like this, as well as the live plants in there nursery's if people were not buying and growing them. They are not going to buy these plants right now if within 1 to 2 months they would have nothing to show for there efforts because the temp was too high. People grow these plants year after year here, they would not be spending there money if it was just a waist of time. I will have the manager at Lowe's call you tomorrow to verify what I say is true. I never said that the conditions were prefect. I just say if that is what you have to work with, work with it (like we do here). My other point is that you can read all you want (even from creditable sources), but nothing can replace experience. What can it cost to plant a couple of these plants and see what happens for yourself (while you read up). Like I said "It's very simple plant a plant, see if it grows, if it doesn't under your conditions don't do it again. Or figure out what you can do to make the conditions better and try again. What's to prove?" If you had your way you would stop everyone in this town from even trying. Fortunately they don't know that Luches says not to even try. I guess they succeed simply because they don't know their not supposed to. People are not allowed to speak if you don't agree with what they have to say, that is simply rude and disrespectful to others (something you are incapable of learning). Everybody in this forum (whatever is left) get that Luches does not recommend trying to grow tomato's and strawberry's in high heat, but nothing gives you the right to demand that they don't even try. You could have simply posted those links, quotes, and simply say this is why I wouldn't recommend it, that wouldn't have been disrespectful. But if you have not learned good social skills yet, I doubt you ever will. Last edited by GpsFrontier; 04-24-2010 at 03:31 AM. |
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You're clearly overdoing it more and more with every post.
Because that's one more rough distortion of yours, of what I was actually saying, intending and recommending (respectively what my actual and still valid disrecommendation was). The idea that I could talk someone into- or prevent anyone from trying anything at all, is either fear of being neglected and/or not listened to (some "Childhood Trauma"?) or a simple misconception of human nature of the idividual. Look at you, can ANYONE talk you into- or prevent you from trying ANYTHING?! I guess not I have no doubt that anyone else can draw their own conclusion and take their very own decision about this very endeavour or any other. They are perfectly able to decide if it is worth the try, the effort and the risk (which may be huge indeed) - or not. Thinking or pretending otherwise, - again - I would call that clearly- if not naively -underestimating others. Last edited by Luches; 04-24-2010 at 03:45 AM. |
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Haven't we all got our childhood traumata and don't we all lack social skills on occasion, or when others push us to the limits? Denial doesn't help here, it just makes it worse and makes the causal chain repeat itself over and over again until we accept us as what and who we truly are.
You don't need no "Luches" to discover your own limits and for instance I do not need any GPS to see my picture in the mirror It's not the others, everyone is his/her worst enemy, even if it takes longer for some to realize that fact. Hence "personal conflicts" repeat themselves with various opponents until they are solved or dissolved. There have been and there will be others to defy you badly and confront you with yourself but me, - if only you'd believe and trust me on something for one single time... |
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My last post was actually meant to think about a bit and apply to yourself "also". It was a way of proposing a concession. This is not a one-way thing, as it would be too easy to blame it all on me. You're much to involved in this debate, to be completely innocent or "the victim" and not an actor yourself - aren't you? And don't you ask yourself why you can't let go? I do! Remember the traumata thing? Maybe you are afraid of me as a symbol figure of someone who "forces you" into some ideas or worse some bad indoctrination you have got in the past? You seem to have a strong aversion against religion, you are full of all kinds of contrariness - all these are clear indications for serious traumata!
Don't you actually wonder if I haven't pulled your leg all along, and that I read you like a book, - but you don't even remotely know what I am thinking or actually am saying. I may be in full control of myself, completely detached - feeding your mind with all kinds of brain-lures and mental challenges and actually just making a case study - watching you play my vicious game? Yeah, you will pick that up too, quote it for sure and say that I am a truly evil person... I know, - but look at it again, it was a question! Never mind you'll quote that for sure and hold that against me no matter what, right - because you would pick up and split every blade of grass I drop, isn't that so? Last edited by Luches; 04-24-2010 at 05:32 AM. |
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If you really care for the forum, why don't you prevent your Ego from beating users like me verbally up until they get bored or tired, or sick of your thousand quotes and mostly wrong assumptions?
You don't believe you make a good impression here, do you really are that naive? You jump on every post that shows up and reply to anything as if you were a certified and sworn expert. Asking a hundred questions, quoting the crap out of any post, but you aren't half as smart and knowledgeable as recommended for the forum smart-ass job. The wish to help is noble, but certainly not good enough if you actually don't know much. I have a few PMs in my mailbox that say "bluntly" how bored an pi**ed people are with you replying to ANYTHING and quoting every of their words without having actual answers, but just making conversation and "learning by actually asking" stuff. Why and where have the thousand plus members escaped, long before I even showed up here? When I came here it was a kinda DEAD forum and now it is not even half alive and when I'll leave it will most probably not become any better, unless you give people some air to breath except your "desert experience" that has to be poured over everything like house-ketchup. I remember so well when I tried to explain you the cooling system I build ages ago and already then you wouldn't grab a thing, just because you can't accept anything unless you have bended an formed it your way a few times. I believe you are damn lucky to be able to blame your later failures and a "desert forum" on me - but let's make a deal: I'll go my way and you will be completely safe from my interventions. You try to catch some folks with your quoting mania and usual high profile forum smart-assing. After a while you may realize by yourself that this forum is not doing bad because of me or anybody else, but perhaps quite a bunch actually goes on your own account... Deal? I mean you don't risk anything except recognizing a painful truth eventually. And if the forum would boom an flourish after a short time when I am away, - I'd have to admit that I really screwed up this-one Btw: I already asked the admin to delete me completely because I do not identify at all with this place and attitude "of yours".... I have tried, but I really have to give up on this-one. |
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Aren't you a club of finest young Gentlemen that truly deserve a hassle free and cosy place to play hydroponics ?
I believe I have to agree and forgive me for all the bad things I have done. Goodness, how childish and pathetic this all finishes - I am a bit disappointed at the end |
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